Topic: Pomak language ?

[Sv]

Pomaski language now included with other Slavic languages on http://slavic-unity.com/viewforum.php?f=141

In addition, if Turkish language is selected, all Cyrillic on the forum automatically is converted to Pomak script:

Kaşa — blyudo, kotoroye pervonaçal’no yeto bilo obryadovoye, torjestvennoye yastvo, upotreblyayemoye v osnovnom na prazdnikah. V XII veke slovo «kaşa» daje bilo sinonimom slova «pir».

Welcome! Pomak interface is coming.

[Тоска]

Slaven;
Thanks for all its a kind of means to an end for registering our language

 

[Sv]

I will convert the Bulgarian localization to this Pomak script and then there will be a forum interface in Pomak. Of course it may need editing (which someone who speaks Pomak can do).  Since phpBB is one of the more popular forum scripts, it can be widely used.

[Sv]

[Sv]

you change some words and letters. You can't read in Bulgarian, you even don't know the alphabet.

Very well, you just proved the existence of Pomak language.

It's normal that you have changed your language through the years abroad, but it's all your problem that you don't speak your native language. Don't tell others to learn your language, learn the language of others !

So why do you tell others to learn your language? It appears Pomaks in Turkey have another language, and that is their native language.

I hope you will understand me correctly, I don't have nothing against you, I just want to help you find the right way.

Except you deny people the right to use their native language, which you admit is different than Bulgarian, so different that its speakers can not read Bulgarian.

This attitude is surely wrong. Nobody can deny anyone to use any language, thats simply wrong. Such an approach only causes resentment and anger.

It is also a fact that all Slavic languages are similar with minor grammatical variations but some substantial difference in writing systems. However, since they are called languages, it means even minor cases of difference can be termed 'language' rather than 'dialect'. Otherwise, you must accept that Bulgarian, Pomak, Polish and Czech are all dialects of one Slavic Language. You insist Bulgarian is a language not a dialect? In that case, lets have some respect for all language groups. Pomak language it is.

[Dobrev]

Very well, you just proved the existence of Pomak language.

I don`t think so.

So why do you tell others to learn your language? It appears Pomaks in Turkey have another language, and that is their native language.

They speak the dialects from the different parts of Bulgaria they originated from. The Lovech Pomaks in Turkey speak a different dialect than the Macedonian Pomaks, yet different from the Rhodope Pomaks in Turkey. There is no one language, but different Bulgarian dialects.

Except you deny people the right to use their native language, which you admit is different than Bulgarian, so different that its speakers can not read Bulgarian.

I see you`re quite proficient in the history of the Bulgarian language... Think again! Аман от пишман разбирачи!
The modern Bulgarian language emerged in the mid 1800 as a synthetic language from all the dialects spoken in Bulgaria. It is written in Cyrillic. Pomaks in Turkey don`t study Cyrillic, that is why they cannot read Bulgarian. They speak the same dialects that are still spoken in Bulgaria by their former Christian neighbours.

It is also a fact that all Slavic languages are similar with minor grammatical variations but some substantial difference in writing systems. However, since they are called languages, it means even minor cases of difference can be termed 'language' rather than 'dialect'.

Eurica! Then we have 10 000 languages in Bulgaria as every village speaks differently. Hallelujah!

[Sv]

Then we have 10 000 languages in Bulgaria as every village speaks differently

Very well, if you want to make your own villiage's language, you should start publishing books, making websites, etc. And, if enough people are in your language group, I will include you in the list of Slavic lanuages. But I don't see you do it. But I do see Pomaks do it, so, yes, Pomaks have their own language.

[Тоска]

In any case there exist several academical researches about pomak language. Dobrev, I guess you oversimplify the pomak language and differences between tongues and languages.
For example :
Supposing that i'm a croatian man and also i can clearly understand all bulgarian dialects by this way do i need to abandon my race and my native language ?

Be realistic

[Sv]

Today I had an angry Buglarian threaten me because I added Pomaski to the language list. Very sad.

[EvroPOMAK]

Today I had an angry Buglarian threaten me because I added Pomaski to the language list. Very sad.

"Slaven", be glad and happy that you found and added to your vocabulary yet another linguistic richness and diversity !     

[Тоска]

Do not hesitate Slaven, soon we will begin to broadcast with our native language. Definitely, it's in the pipeline

[KaraIbrahim]

Today I had an angry Buglarian threaten me because I added Pomaski to the language list. Very sad.

  Slaven, interesting to me is what are you threatened? Maybe a stabbing?

[Sv]

I have Pomatski on slavenica.com, and I think Poma-t-ski is the correct ending for the language name. Pomatski also appears to be more commonly used online in pages found by Google. We consider Turkish pages only, as the word Pomaski also is a Polish last name which mixes into the combined Google results.

pomatski About 2,700 results.
pomaski About 588 results.

There appear to be two ways to write Pomatski.

1. Using Turkish script. This writing style can be found online.

2. Using a Latin style stcript proposed for Pomaks in Greece.

I have added Cyrillic equivalents to the list found here: http://pomakdictionary.tripod.com/index/id9.html

А A a astávem (leave), arálo  (plough)
Ѣ Ä ä snäk (snow)  bäl (white), näm (dumb)
Б B b bólan (sick), bráshno (flour)
Ч Ch, ch chervén (red), chórna  (black)
Д D d dáskalie (teacher),  dórvo (wood)
Е E e pridávom(give in), péntzer (window)
Ф F f fátom (catch), fchéra (yesterday)
Г G g górlo (throat), garchíf   (bitter)
Х H h hránem (feed), hliap (bread)
Ъ Ï ï sïn (son), kïsmét (fate), pórvï (first)
И I i iglá (needle)  , itúi (here)
К K k kolíba (cottage), kósnitsa  (basket)
Л L l lazhítsa (spoon), láhna  (cabbage)
М M m myrísom (smell), mraviá (ant)
Н N n nebá (sky), nahódem (find)
О O o odvrástom (answer), ozlanítsa  (pillow)
Ъ Ö ö spöm (sleep), smöm (smile)
П P p praf  (straight), pot (street)
Р R r raká (hand), rámo (shoulder)
С S s slóntse (sun), spírom (find)
Ш Sh, sh shúshka (rubbish),  shápka (hat)
Т T t ténak (thin),   téle (calf)
Ц Ts ts tsístem (clean),  tsífte (couple)
ТЗ Tz tz sóltza (tear), amítzov (cousin)
Ђ J j jánar (wild plum), jümayiá (mosque)
Ј Y y yúme (name),  yátse (very)
У u umarén  (tired),  ustá (mouth)
Ѫ Ü ü chüvál (sack), klüch (lock)
В V v valésava (careful), vosá (wasp)
З Z z zólezo (iron), zamítom (sweep)
Ж Zh zh zholt (yellow), zhéni (women)

[sirrio]

Toska, няма проблем, че по погрешка си ми изтрил поста. Та въпросът ми беше за свастиките на аватара ти. Защо използваш такъв аватар?

[Hashashin]

Of course pomak language does not exists. Pomaks speak different dialects of Bulgarian language. The idea of a Pomak language was born by the Pan Turkist who more and more to isolate Pomaks from their true relatives. They assumed that creation of a  pomak language is the first step. The second step is to proove that it is a turkic language with slavic influence. And like this slowly to assimilate pomaks in Turkey and Greece. This is so clear.