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Pomak language ?
KaraIbrahim:
--- Quote from: Slaven on September 27, 2010, 18:41 ---Today I had an angry Buglarian threaten me because I added Pomaski to the language list. Very sad.
--- End quote ---
Slaven, interesting to me is what are you threatened? Maybe a stabbing? >:(
Sv:
I have Pomatski on slavenica.com, and I think Poma-t-ski is the correct ending for the language name. Pomatski also appears to be more commonly used online in pages found by Google. We consider Turkish pages only, as the word Pomaski also is a Polish last name which mixes into the combined Google results.
pomatski About 2,700 results.
pomaski About 588 results.
There appear to be two ways to write Pomatski.
1. Using Turkish script. This writing style can be found online.
2. Using a Latin style stcript proposed for Pomaks in Greece.
I have added Cyrillic equivalents to the list found here: http://pomakdictionary.tripod.com/index/id9.html
А A a astávem (leave), arálo (plough)
Ѣ Ä ä snäk (snow) bäl (white), näm (dumb)
Б B b bólan (sick), bráshno (flour)
Ч Ch, ch chervén (red), chórna (black)
Д D d dáskalie (teacher), dórvo (wood)
Е E e pridávom(give in), péntzer (window)
Ф F f fátom (catch), fchéra (yesterday)
Г G g górlo (throat), garchíf (bitter)
Х H h hránem (feed), hliap (bread)
Ъ Ï ï sïn (son), kïsmét (fate), pórvï (first)
И I i iglá (needle) , itúi (here)
К K k kolíba (cottage), kósnitsa (basket)
Л L l lazhítsa (spoon), láhna (cabbage)
М M m myrísom (smell), mraviá (ant)
Н N n nebá (sky), nahódem (find)
О O o odvrástom (answer), ozlanítsa (pillow)
Ъ Ö ö spöm (sleep), smöm (smile)
П P p praf (straight), pot (street)
Р R r raká (hand), rámo (shoulder)
С S s slóntse (sun), spírom (find)
Ш Sh, sh shúshka (rubbish), shápka (hat)
Т T t ténak (thin), téle (calf)
Ц Ts ts tsístem (clean), tsífte (couple)
ТЗ Tz tz sóltza (tear), amítzov (cousin)
Ђ J j jánar (wild plum), jümayiá (mosque)
Ј Y y yúme (name), yátse (very)
У u umarén (tired), ustá (mouth)
Ѫ Ü ü chüvál (sack), klüch (lock)
В V v valésava (careful), vosá (wasp)
З Z z zólezo (iron), zamítom (sweep)
Ж Zh zh zholt (yellow), zhéni (women)
sirrio:
Toska, няма проблем, че по погрешка си ми изтрил поста. Та въпросът ми беше за свастиките на аватара ти. Защо използваш такъв аватар?
Hashashin:
Of course pomak language does not exists. Pomaks speak different dialects of Bulgarian language. The idea of a Pomak language was born by the Pan Turkist who more and more to isolate Pomaks from their true relatives. They assumed that creation of a pomak language is the first step. The second step is to proove that it is a turkic language with slavic influence. And like this slowly to assimilate pomaks in Turkey and Greece. This is so clear.
Dobrev:
--- Quote from: Toska on September 27, 2010, 18:33 ---In any case there exist several academical researches about pomak language. Dobrev, I guess you oversimplify the pomak language and differences between tongues and languages.
For example :
Supposing that i'm a croatian man and also i can clearly understand all bulgarian dialects by this way do i need to abandon my race and my native language ? Be realistic ;)
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Toska, I am being realistic! And no - it`s no oversimplification.
The analogy with the pomaks that are outside Bulgaria is the same with the analogy with the Banat and Bessarabia Bulgarians, as well as the Bulgarians from East Serbia.
These were all groups which were not influenced by the modern Bulgarian language and they preserve the dialects that were spoken at the time they left Bulgaria.
The Banat Bulgarians migrated at the end of 18th-beginning of 19th c. They live in the region that was later divided between Romania and Hungaria. Like the pomaks in Turkey and Greece they are a Slavonic speaking minority among non-Slavonic majorities.
They still speak the Bulgarian dialects from the regions where they originated in Bulgaria.
This is not a different language, but dialects of the Bulgarian dialect continuum as they were spoken in 18th c.
Before you try to create a new language, read about the differences between the major Slavonic groups and you will see the characteristics of the Bulgarian continuum. The dialects you speak in Turkey are precisely from this Bulgarian continuum and not from some imaginary made-up language.
Take a look at the Banat Bulgarian - it is a dialect as it was spoken 200 years ago. I am sure you will understand most of it.
http://www.starbisnov.blogspot.com/
I understand the reasons for your efforts to disaffiliate with the Bulgarians, but when that is done by denying the basic linguistic principles, it serves no good. I am aware that there were in the past a lot of frictions between the Muslim and Christian Bulgarians, but that doesn`t justify any effort to deny our Bulgarian ancestry.
Take any linguist proficient in Slavonic languages and he will tell you that what you speak is a Bulgarian dialect and nothing else. I understand that your call for a Pomak language sounds populistic and appealing to the people in Turkey, Greece and a particular minority in the Nevrokop, but I cannot agree with that.
The Christian Bulgarians still speak the same dialects like the Pomaks.
And these are Bulgarian dialects.
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