Topic: Pomaks in USA

[Тоска]

Dear members let's talk about pomaks in Usa and their troubles, life styles and relations with other minorities who live in Usa. For example; Have they got their own associations? or Are they able to describe their ethnic and cultural backgrounds? etc... We wonder their ideas so i guess our web site reached at least 100 members from there.
Regards

[Nazmi]

  Edna mnogo interesna Tema za nas Pomacite v Amerika ,oshte predi 2 sedmici obeshtah na Rahmie da pisha tuk vyv Foruma ni, iskam da blagodarq na Onder  za temata,na ustata mi beshe naistina  tazi tema,poneje se syglasih da pomagam na Sajta pomak.eu kato chast ot ekipa
.Sybral sym  mnogo spomeni i fakti ot jivota na Pomashkata obshtnost tuk v Iztochnata chast na Amerika! Kato  spomenavam tova iskam da otbeleja,che naj-kompaktnata obshtnost na edno mqsto sybrani pomaci e tuk v shtata Pensilvaniq.
I tova e fakt neosporim..
Minalata godina se naloji da raznasqm pokani za edna pomashka svatba,choveka moj rodnina mi kaza samo-Iskam vsichki pomaci da pokanish dnes.
Naloji se s priqteli da broim kolko semsjstva da pokanim,samo za edno gradche  Wind Gap,kydeto sa sybrani pomacite na kalabalyk  se okazaha minimum 125 semejstva pomaci po minimum 4 dushi sa 1000,glavno novodoshli sys zeleni karti prez perioda 1966-2008,otdelno v rajona kydeto sym az ima desetki takiva,
kakto i da e svatbata beshe pylna s pomaci,amerikanci,kakvi li ne,peeshe Ivan Dqkov ot BG.V tozi moment se zaeh seriozno da razbera povechko za nas,okaza se naistina fakt-Pomacite po Amerikata gi ima navsqkyde,neshto normalno za vsichki hora,no tezi tuk v shtata  Pensilvaniq,
v shtata N.Djersej,v New York sme kolorita na Pomacite-qdroto na pomashkata obshtnost,po moemu tuk samo ima mnogo nad 1500 dushi, otdelno v sysedniq shtat N.Djersej ima stotici pomaci znam gi,
ima po Chikago,Florida,Kaliforniq no edenicci,tuk si ostava Pomashkiq dom za novodoshlite pomaci, deto vseki posreshta,pomaga na synarodnika si pomak,i taka toi na mene,az na drug.....
Pomagame si vseki tuk go znae,to si ni e v syrcata,vseki nash brat pomak  reshil se na tova da ide v chujda dyrjava naramil semejstvoto sys sebe si,zarqzal dom i roditeli znae che tam nqkyde nash synarodnik shte go posreshtne,shte mu pomogne v nachaloto.
Taka e tuk,taka e navsqkyde.V drugiq posting shte pisha KOI sa pyrvite pomaci akustirali i kacnali v zemqta na amerikancite predi poveche ot 45 godini tuk.....

.......Sledva  prodaljenie..

[Nazmi]

  Pyrvite pomaci pristignali tuk v naj-pomashkata obshtnost shtata Pensilvaniq? Iskam predvaritelno da kaja,ako nqkoj si misli,ili ima fakti za poveche pomaci v Amerika na edno mqsto sybrani  kakto tuk da mi pishe! Shte zapochna s tova-prez 1964-65 god tuk pristigat pyrvite pomaci  sa Fikret ot Devin ili kakto tuka vseki go znae 4i4o FRANK -pyrviq pomak pristignal tuk i pomognal na stotici semejstva.Nqma semejstvo deto ne e chuval za nego,i sega na starini pak pomaga choveka,ot negovata podadena ryka sa segashnite pomaci s BIZNES tuk v shtata Pensilvaniq  ,sled nego idva Ismet Kalarev(rahmetliq ot skoro),pak prez 65-66 god,tezi dvamata sa v osnovata na po kysno idvashti pomaci prez 70 godini.Po tova vreme mestnite partiici  po selata ni masovo se stqgat za smqna na imena.Godinata e 1972-kraq na dekemvri,navsqkyde po selata na Gocedelchevsko  se govori za totalna i masova smqna na imenata 72-73g prodiktuvana glavno ot mestnite hora po sela ,deto i sega se kriqt.Zapocghva masovo bqgstvo prez granica v posoka Gyrciq, ot tam sled prestoj po lagerite v Drama i Kavala poemat kym Amerika!Ot  moq krai tezi deto riskuvaha jivota si sega sa tuk sred nas,neka tqhnata istoriq e nachalo za tova da se narechem gordo Pomaci sme-pomagame si.Sledva da spomena  pyrvite riskuvali jivota si preskachajki granichnata brazda i bqgajki v tymninata........Sledva

[Nazmi]

Sledvajki sybitiqta shte spomena hora pomaci,deto i sega sa sred nas,ili deto gi znaem pomagajki ni v trudni momenti v jivota.Imenata za vas  po sveta bratq pomaci sa neznajni,no popadajki tuk na mqsto v Amerika vseki ot nas znae za kakvo ide rech,a tova e neka izkajem bezkrajna БЛАГОДАРНОСТ na tezi hora tuk pomaci deto utypkaha pyteka za nas- Blagodarnosti za tqh-shte spomena samo imenata na onezi deto riskuvaha jivota si pod duloto na avtomatite izbrali riska na smyrta ili da oceleqt,tezi sred nas sega pyrvite tuk mejdu 60-70 godini sa:  чичо Frank-от Devin,Ismet Kararev-ot s.Tuhovishta (rahmetliq) Mehmed Kasapov-s.Tuhovishta . Hasan Letif-s.Tuhovishta. Aliosman Bilukbashi -s.Tuhovishta,Ibrahim Kiuchukov-s.Tuhovishta,Djeit Kyrdjaliev ot s.Hvostqne,Mehmet Zimera ot s.Slashten,Mehmed Barzev ot selo Vylkosel,Юсеин Дураков от село Вълкосел,Дормиш от село Слащен,братята Мустафа и Адем Кадиеви  от село Годешево...Tezi hora sa tuk poveche ot 35 godini,pomaci sa sred nas.Imam ugovorkata s nqkoj ot tqh Frank i Zimera da spodelqt bolkite si sega pred nas. Ot po novite sled 1990 god sa mnogo,nadhvyrliha hilqda,shte spomena pak s radost i edno mlado momche na ime Zak Papuchi ot nashiq kraj e nqma az da go opredelqm kakyv e,samo shte kaja che Zak e edin syrcat chovek pomognal na desetki nashi pomaci davajki im rabota,sega si beshe na gosti v s.Hvostqne- Gosedelchevsko,tuk shte spomena i Stefan Direktora ot s.Kochan,zadyljitelno i ot sysedniq shtat New Djersey Pyrpela  ot s.Kochan e,vseki tuk go znaem deto ne propuska na nash praznik da organizira parti i ni sybere,ima i drugi... otvoreni sme.Sledva Pomashki tradicii v Amerika i problemi sred nas tuk.....

[Nazmi]

Tuka sme,pomaci sme,pomagame si.Kak se opredelqme obashe,kakva e nashata kultura,tradicii,kak praznuvame i se veselim po praznici,edinni li sme, zamislqme li se kato roditeli kakvo ostavqme na decata ni otkysnati ot pomashkata ni sreda,kak da zapazim sebe si,kak da postroim pomashka djamiq tuk za decata ni,kyde se pogrebvat pomacite  v koi grobishta,imame li nujda i koga po zamojnite pomaci tuk shte sednat da se razberat za tova da se zakupi zemq  i se izgradi pomashko grobishte,deto edin den decata ni pomacheta shte se chudqt kyde e bashta im i majika im i zashto sa v drugo grobishte???.Eto zatova sa ogromni problemi deto tuk a i navsqkyde kydeto ima pomaci da se reshi.Az sym optimist,vyprosite po gore deto spomenah sa samo chast ot jivota ni.Ako prochetete oshte vednyj povdignatite ot men problemi,shte se razbere che i tam otvyd Okeana pomacite ne spim,ili pone ima hora deto razbirame.Pozdravi ot mene,shte pisha pak che mnogo Info ne e na dobre,taka de poizmorih se ot rovene ... Pozdravi na vas bratq Pomaci!

[sema_rohleva]

Nazmi ,

Naistina mi stana bolno kato ceta redovetete ti. Tragnali ste vie ot tuk (Bg) i predi vas mnogo drugi pomaci  i s tolkova trudnosti i peripetii ste otisli tam  za edin po dobar jivot ( za vas i decata ) vi , za povece svoboda i prava , a se okazva ce po nyakakv nacin se razmivate tam sred drugite ... Bolno e tajno e .... Predi edna godina me bese osenila ideyata da kandidatstvam za zelena karata za Kanada i byah zapocnala zdravo da se podgotvyam ....No nostalgiyata i misalta ce ste   vijdam rodinata i blizkite si na 3 godini vednaj napravo me pobarka .....Stana mi bolno  i tajno , kakto mi e bolno i tajno , za vas .

Ami zastot ne opitate da si napravite edin kulturen centar , klub v koyto da se sabirate .. da si napravite grupa za pomaski pesni i tanci ... kato znam amerikancite umirat za nashiya folklor i iskat da se ucat na kakvo li ne .... Toku vij ste uspeli da se obedinite i da psotavite edno nacalo ...Tova mi idva naum n prima vista ....A nie tuk ot forum ste se opitvame da vi pomognem s kakvoto mojem

[Тоска]

Thanks for your comments but as you seen above here is english section and header of this topic's english.  Would u please use english? Because English is far more world wide in its distribution than all other spoken languages.  It is an official language in 52 countries as well as many small colonies and territories.  In addition, 1/4 to 1/3 of the people in the world understand and speak English. We need to be proactive in presenting our culture and our values to the society so that people would learn more about us.

PP: iskeceli: Are you sure? Is it a joke? Do not forget i have got authority to look-up to ips which are belong to our users. For example IP block which you just posted from s mannheim

Моля пишете само на английски

[Rahmie]

Nazmi,
Thank you so much for your opinions about pomaks in Usa. I find them very interesting...

[Chechliya]

Hello there,
According to my sources, the first Pomaks left for USA after the 9th of September 1944. After the coup in Bulgaria many people with favorable positions, gained during the previous pro-fascist regime were forced to flee. Many left for Greece and Turkey and later made it to the USA. Probably there was some limited Pomak presence in USA even before that but we don't have any information in support of that claim. During the Communism in Bulgaria even greater number fled - a huge portion escaped through the Mesta River near the village of Slashten. After serving a sentence in Greece for illegal crossing of the border, the immigrants were allowed to the United States. But still the majority of Pomaks, present in USA today, left after 1990 with Green Cards.

[al-fatiha]

You must have a mosque ın USA, I know this.

But we all are muslims. Dr. Zarrikoub in his book ''Histoy of the Islamic civilization" says:

"There is everywhere one beleive and one culture - the Islamic culture, whose language is the Arabic, the thought - Iranian, the wisdom - Indian, the strong - Turkish but the hearth and the soul are Islamic and human."

If these man Turkish and Arabians who invited you in their mosques are from some teroristic groups - this is an other question!

But I think that they want to help you! I hope!

[Ismet DRAMSKY]

Назми, подкрепям те и те поздравявам за направените предложения от теб да се изгради джамия от помаците и да се ползва от всички мюсюлмани, но да се знае като помашката джамия, както и да се обособи гробище от помаците, но да се ползва и знае като помашкото гробище. Подкрепям и идеята на Сема за направа на културен информационен център и клуб на помаците в Америка, за срещи , запознанства, фолклор и за обмяна на идеи и други подобни хубави инициативи. Това е да се чуе и види че и помаците са хора и то много добри хора със своите обичаи, традиции  проблеми и празници,така както ги имат и другите общности. Смятам, че това може да сплоти помаците както зад граница така и навсякъде където се намират и това да спомогне да се опознават хората много повече в този глобален свят.Свят който ще съществува дори и когато някога всички ние ще се изгубим в небитието и ще останат само надгробните ни плочи и добрите дела направени от всеки човек! Според мен за това трябва на първо време да обявите идеите си и да обявите набирателна сметка за инициативата си, където и ние може да даме своят скромен принос за вас хората в чужбина и за името на всички помаци по различните краища на света! Досега сме правили неща все за прослава на всички останали, което не е лошо. Нека и ние да направим нещо за самите помаци и това нека да се знае и помни с добро! 

Nazmika, and they stick salute to the proposals made by you to build a mosque on Pomaks and be used by all Muslims, but to be known as the Pomaks mosque , and to separate from the cemetery Pomaks but enjoys and knows a the Pomaks cemetery. I support the idea of Sema Rohleva, to making cultural information center and club of Pomaks in America, for meeting, dating, folklore, and to exchange ideas and other good initiatives. This is to hear and see that Pomaks are people a lot of good people with their customs, traditions, problems and holidays, as they have other communities. I think this may shape Pomaks as abroad and wherever situated and to help people get to know much more in this global world. The world which will exist even if all we ever will lose nothing in and will remain only our grave slabs and good deeds done by everyone! I think this is the first to announce their ideas and ads escrow account for you initiative where we can dame its modest contribution to your country and people in the name of all Pomaks in different parts of the world! So far we did more things for the celebration of all that is not bad. Let us do something for themselves Pomaks and let us know and remember well! 

[Nazmi]

 Blaodarq mnogo Ismet.Tochno mnenie tova za djamiite.Shte dam edin primer ,koito po rano sym kazval.Pomacite tuk emigranti napraviha djamiq sys dareniq i trud v Stroudsburg shtata Pensilvaniq.Ne se razbraha koi da q potdyrja i sled vreme sega arabite q potdyrjat.Vyprosa e nabolql,osobeno za po staruite emigranti deto sa doshli ot Rodopite prez 70 godini kogato ni smenqha imenata.Sega te sa na vyzrast.V momenta ako nqkoi ot nashite pomaci se pomine rahmetliq  go pogrebvat v sysedniq shtat New Jersey paterson i Kliftan kydeto pone ima tursko grobishte.A pomacite tuk v Pensilvaniq naistina sa nai mnogoludno naseleni v USA! Raboti se po vyprosa znam,..

[Nazmi]

Благодаря Фотакиев за инфото! Имах възможноста да znam много.Това което искам да кажа,че Хамид Русев се прибра завинаги и от една година си живее в Родопите.Продаде бизнеса и всичко тук и сега душата му се радва на красотата на Родопите .Чападжиев си е тук в Чикаго,няма човек да не знае за двамата,има и книга за това...

[Nazmi]

V interes na istinata e ,che tuk  naistina vseki za sebe si sam izbira nachina na jivot.Nikoi Ne go interesuva koi si,kak si,kak se kazvash...Razbira se ima dyrjavna politika,no kato cqlo Amerika e otvorena za vseki sys surovite i zakoni i spazvane pravilata.Ako zakonite na Amerika se prilojat  v BG za 1 godina garantiram drugo izmerenie i razvitie.Moga mnogo da pisha...                                                                                                                                                                
http://tv.muxlim.com/video/cTfX6Kr_ZYc/Nicole-Queen-Converts-after-seeing-Youtube-videos-on-Islam/

[Metka]

Като видях това тук - http://www.pomak.eu/board/index.php?topic=1837.msg20858#msg20858 ;
от Назми публикация номер -125     

Искам само да вметна- Джемал е наш помак от моето село-Туховище и е историк по професия,сега в Чикаго е,и като има време винаги пише тук!

,  ми хрумна идеята че всъщност такива хора като Джемал са истинска ценност за виртуалната ни общност тука.
Бих се радвал ако самият Джемал не скронмичи толко и да се отпусне подобаващо , за да ни разкаже това което знае.
Предполагам че ще го оценим безпристрасно.
Само с такива хора начело ние можем да се измъкнем от режима на оцеляване в режим на развитие.
Парадоксалното е че аз познавам и една помакиня от Вълкосел която е преподавателка в американски университет в Арканзас , САЩ.
Тя се казва Fatme Myuhtar-May.

Назми може би я познаваш а?
Найстина е радващо че дори и на хиляди километри , цивилизования свят знае как да оценява интилектуалния потенциал независимо от произхода.
Ето един материал на англииски за нея:

Students receive Middle East study grants

Several people from ASU will travel to the Middle East this summer upon receiving a grant from the Middle East Studies Committee. Each year the committee awards grants to ASU students, faculty and staff for study and/or research in the Middle East.

This year's recipients of the grants are from various colleges and departments and have different purposes and goals for studying abroad. Nicole Jones, a sophomore journalism major, was awarded $4,812 to travel with a group from the University of Arizona to Cairo, Egypt for eight weeks. She will study reporting from the Middle East and will take a course in conversational Arabic.

"The Study Cairo program will help me embark on a journey that will begin a future filled with high expectations. I am eager and curious about this new experience," Nicole said.

Kristin Walker, a psychology major and music minor, received a grant worth $5,000 enabling her to accompany Arizona State University students/faculty members as they journey on the Summer Study Abroad Program to Jordan. In Jordan she will be taking two courses: Arabic culture and Islam, and she will also take part in an Independent Study. Kristin, who plans to pursue a Master's degree in Psychology or Music Therapy, stated "Music therapists are currently working in the West Bank in refugee camps as volunteers seek to enhance the refugees' quality of life. I believe that identifying and understanding the culture of the individuals in the Middle East is essential in the effort to aid their population sufficiently."

Fatme Myuhtar-May, a PhD Heritage Studies student, was also awarded a grant in the amount of $4,910 to travel to Bulgaria and Turkey to study and research the cultural identity of Pomaks (Bulgarian-speaking Muslims). Myuhtar-May plans to visit different communities, interview people, record songs and stories, attend social events, and visit local museum and heritage sites. The goal is to draw a comparative parallel between the life of the Pomaks in Bulgaria and Turkey. "This comparison has not been done before, and it is worth exploring for me," Myuhtar-May said.